As the Department of Homeland Security and ICE see their budgets balloon, anything unrelated to immigration is getting short shrift.

Matt Stoller and David Dayen talk to Richard Powers, a former deputy assistant attorney general at the Department of Justice, and the former acting assistant attorney general at the Antitrust Division, to discuss the consequences of ignoring antitrust and white collar crime. They discuss the post-DOGE state of the Department of Justice, the culture of prosecution (or lack thereof) that dominated the Antitrust Division through the Obama and first Trump eras, and how to make budgeting antitrust a priority.

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David Dayen is the executive editor of The American Prospect. He is the author of Monopolized: Life in the Age of Corporate Power and Chain of Title: How Three Ordinary Americans Uncovered Wall Street’s Great Foreclosure Fraud. He co-hosts the podcast Organized Money with Matt Stoller. He can be reached on Signal at ddayen.90.

Matt Stoller is research director at the American Economic Liberties Project and the author of Goliath: The 100-Year War Between Monopoly Power and Democracy.