Today on the show, Matt Stoller and David Dayen are joined by Linda Michaels, a psychologist and co-founder of the Psychotherapy Action Network, to discuss all the creepy ways technology companies are weaseling themselves into your therapist’s office. From matching services like BetterHelp, to PMC middlemen, and potentially dangerous therapy chatbots, Big Tech wants to both exploit your therapist (and you) by using your private data for advertising and AI training. They also discuss the business of psychology, and the progress that has been made in states like Illinois, which could serve as a model for the nation.

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David Dayen is the executive editor of The American Prospect. He is the author of Monopolized: Life in the Age of Corporate Power and Chain of Title: How Three Ordinary Americans Uncovered Wall Street’s Great Foreclosure Fraud. He co-hosts the podcast Organized Money with Matt Stoller. He can be reached on Signal at ddayen.90.

Matt Stoller is research director at the American Economic Liberties Project and the author of Goliath: The 100-Year War Between Monopoly Power and Democracy.