Michigan’s Senate race between Republican Mike Rogers and populist Democrat Abdul El-Sayed is shaping up to be a lynchpin in the midterm elections, and not just because it could mean the difference between majority and minority. El-Sayed’s message of “money in your pocket” and Medicare for All has clearly resonated with the season’s most energized voters, and his anti-corporate bona fides led him to victory over the more establishment Democrat, Haley Stevens. Today on the show, Matt Stoller and David Dayen sit down with El-Sayed to discuss markets and his anti-monopoly platform, how Medicare for All will create more competition, the uselessness of PBMs, the way big agriculture bullies Michigan’s cherry farmers, beef and meatpacking regulation, the AI bubble, and the importance of Democrats actually doing something if they retake Congress.

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David Dayen is the executive editor of The American Prospect. He is the author of Monopolized: Life in the Age of Corporate Power and Chain of Title: How Three Ordinary Americans Uncovered Wall Street’s Great Foreclosure Fraud. He co-hosts the podcast Organized Money with Matt Stoller. He can be reached on Signal at ddayen.90.

Matt Stoller is research director at the American Economic Liberties Project and the author of Goliath: The 100-Year War Between Monopoly Power and Democracy.